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Martin Scorsese on Making "Killers of the Flower Moon" - The New Yorker   

Martin Scorsese has the best curveball in the business. His 2013 film, "The Wolf of Wall Street," based on the true story of a large-scale financial fraudster, is also his wildest and wackiest comedy, closer in inspiration to Jerry Lewis than to Oliver Stone. His modern-gothic horror-thriller "Shutter Island," from 2010, is primarily a refracted personal essay about his childhood spent watching paranoid film-noir classics in the shadow of nuclear war. And now his forthcoming film, "Killers of the Flower Moon," his first attempt—as an octogenarian—at a Western, is essentially a marital drama akin to Stanley Kubrick's final film, "Eyes Wide Shut." It borrows more from such intimate psychological dramas as "Phantom Thread," "Suspicion," and, yes, "Gaslight" than from any of the Western classics of John Ford. In other words, the first of the mysteries that Scorsese's new film poses isn't in the plot—it's the mystery of its own genesis.

When I met Scorsese several weeks ago, I told him, before we got started, that I do very few interviews, because, well, I have a director's films, and, if watching them doesn't give me enough to think about and to write about, then I'm in the wrong profession. That said, there was much that I wanted to know about Scorsese, not least because of the paradox of his artistic position: he directs extraordinary movies on hundred-million-dollar budgets yet makes them deeply personal and packs them with artistic flourishes—spectacular camera moves, intimate observations, dramatic shocks, and moments of performance—that are as daring as they are distinctive. I wanted to ask about his methods because I've long felt that a huge part of the art of directing is producing—that the originality of a finished film usually has its roots in the distinctiveness of its director's approach to the systems and methods that get it made.

I'd seen something of Scorsese's behind-the-scenes originality in Jonas Mekas's documentary about the making of Scorsese's 2006 gangland drama, "The Departed"—the movie for which Scorsese finally won the Oscar for Best Director, after five previous nominations ended in disappointment, and which heralded his great outburst of work in the past decade and a half. I'd also seen it in "The Wolf of Wall Street," in the way that Scorsese took the increasingly commonplace technology of C.G.I. and proceeded to use it like a painter. But the part of his process on "Killers of the Flower Moon" that I was most curious about involved the subject matter. Set in Oklahoma in the nineteen-twenties, "Killers of the Flower Moon" is based on the nonfiction book of the same name by David Grann, a colleague of mine at The New Yorker. In the movie, Leonardo DiCaprio plays Ernest Burkhart, a white man who marries an Osage woman named Mollie (Lily Gladstone), under the direction of his gangster-like uncle (Robert De Niro), as part of a wide-ranging and murderous scheme to pry away the wealth of the Osage Nation, on whose territory oil has been discovered.

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